Argh, I replied on my comment page, instead of here. >.

Thanks very much guys. I'm very proud to have won (more than that I'm probably putting across) and love the way it looks in game.

I really wish they'd get a shimmy on with the fleet star bases and fleet PvP. Then we'll see the logo really become our identity!

bfelczer wrote:

I thought so too but I think they said players who do this may be subject to penalties for breaking some rule in the TOS

I don't see why it's a problem. They say it's because people in PvP won't know what they're up against, but that's just a cop out. Seeing the colour of my beams doesn't change your ability to counter me in combat; you can't change equipment mid fight. Even if you blow up and say, "I'm going to put on my anti-proton armour, now." chances are you're going to have someone else take you out with disruptors, afterwards.

I feel it all comes down to a feeling of control: The less we have, the more confident they become.

Finish the KDF.. Bring on the Roms.. and then the Cards.. and go from there.

It's a cool idea, but I didn't give it much serious thought because I just don't want Cryptic working on ANOTHER race. Their time would be better spent fixing and polishing the game as it exists. I'm seeing way too many people, some of them in our fleet, dropping out of the game. I have to admit, had I not bought I lifetime subscription, I'd probably have left by now as well.

Galan_Vaurek wrote:

as someone else put it:

No Borg,
No Undine,
No Iconian,
No Q

Saith

I agree with the last 3, but I think there could be some gaming potential for playable Borgies. The question is if there's enough to be gained in the gaming experience to make the changes to the Trek universe worthwhile. And realistically I doubt STO has the power to change a race so drastically.

OTOH, what really separates Klingons from Cardassians (not to be confused with Kardashians, which are a completely different species, as I understand it). For that matter, how will they make Romulans different enough to make them an interesting alternative to playing Klink or Fed? With the Borg, you have some serious differences that could be explored in the game play.

Time will tell. Nobody says all of us have to play every faction.

bfelczer wrote:

http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=176326

An amazing amount of time must have gone into making that thread. What do y'all think?

I hate to come across as being closed-minded on the subject.. but I just will never be for a Borg faction.

Everything that makes the Borg, Borg would have to be removed or changed to make them viable as a playable faction, as I stated in my post on that thread.


Finish the KDF.. Bring on the Roms.. and then the Cards.. and go from there...

as someone else put it:

No Borg,
No Undine,
No Iconian,
No Q

Saith

First: good grief, that's long! I confess I didn't have the patience to read the whole thing. Much of what I did read was opinion, and I could see multiple other ways a Borg playable faction could be accomplished in-game.

But the question remains: just because they could do it doesn't necessarily mean they should.

bradley1701 wrote:

The thing that I don't like about the idea of the Borg being a playable faction is that they are supposed to work as a whole collectively. When you add hundreds of individual people, playing Borg they way they individually want to play...you don't have The Collective anymore.

If anything, the Borg should be left as an NPC bad guy...there are plenty of other Trek baddies to choose from.

I can see the logic of leaving them NPC-only, but on the other hand the game developers have already indicated there is another big bad for the overall game. It could be that the Borg, through their many battles with races known and unknown, have adapted by allowing some level of individuality.

The most interesting aspect of playing as a Borg would be assimilation. That should be their overall goal, just as glory in battle is the Klingons' and peacefully blowing shit up is the Feds'. One example, it would make PvP a much scarier prospect if a Borg player could assimilate a non-Borg's bridge officers. And maybe Feds and Klinks could liberate Borg BOs in return. Suddenly STO becomes a big Pokemon game!

Missions could include assimilation as a goal. Starting with just your playable Borg, you battle and assimilate troops as you go. You can't assimilate enemies you have completely defeated, but if you get an enemy's health down below 10 or 20%, and have sufficient time, you could inject them with nanoprobes and start the conversion process. Once complete, you have a drone to fight at your side. Then you go and make more and more.

It's not something that will happen any time soon, but maybe in a few years time, when the game is looking for something new to draw us all back, they could try something like this.

I think it is a neat concept in theory.

The thing that I don't like about the idea of the Borg being a playable faction is that they are supposed to work as a whole collectively. When you add hundreds of individual people, playing Borg they way they individually want to play...you don't have The Collective anymore.

If anything, the Borg should be left as an NPC bad guy...there are plenty of other Trek baddies to choose from.

Sheldon's the very picture of asexuality. Or at least he was before Blossom showed up in the season finale.

You really had a crush on Andrew from Buffy? Wow. :)

They never really came out (ahem) and said he was gay on that show, but the way the character was played, it was strongly implied. Wonder what's he's been up to lately. IMDB here I come.

http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=176326

An amazing amount of time must have gone into making that thread. What do y'all think?

The date on it says May 2010.

Margali13 wrote:

I just re subbed to check out GR. I'm mostly on Guardian, but have a few other toons scattered on other servers. ATM I'm playing a new 2 gun blaster named Amasiara. I'm Margali on the global channels. I joined Stonewall channel last night but didn't see anyone else there.

I'm so tempted to resub to try out the new GR release.

So very tempted.

But as an obsessive compulsive type, I MUST level my Lib borg, Trillian. xD


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Except that now that as I was downloading the new update for STO, my computer BSOD'd (I hate this pile of crap) and now STO crashes on start up.

Worse, the update for CoH is taking longer than the re-download of STO. :(

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Played around with GR last night. A little disappointed that the heavy clockwork parts (like the builder / construction Clockworks) are not included in the costume creator, but I was still able to make something that reminded me of the original Borg from Rifts.

Mostly. Except for the head. And the back. :3

Out of curiosity, how old is this PDF? While California has banned gay marriage, our civil unions grant almost all the state benefits that marriage does. I'm surprised California doesn't have a blue dot on the US map.

Sunday is the best for me. I can do evenings on Monday and Wednesday as well.

Oh wow, I completely forgot that happened! I'm glad this got posted or else I would have never known which logo won.

Halish, I freaking LOVE your logo. Not only does it maintain as much as possible from your original design for the site, but it just looks simple and amazing. Plus it isn't awash in garish pink, but instead cool blues and blacks!

You see that big see of red in the Middle East and North Africa?

If you zoom right in where you can see Egypt and Saudi Arabia, there's a tiny tiny little country called Israel. Which is coloured in a lovely shade of blue!

This is where I live, and despite many many issues here, at least it's on it's way to getting something right.

Our government sucks! BUT, our supreme court doesn't! The supreme court constantly and consistently votes in favour of LGBT rights, including the recognition of same-sex marriage from abroad. Unfortunately the minority of religious members of parliament hold an disproportional amount of power in government at the moment and so pro-LGBT legislation is probably unlikely for the time being.

BUT Israel was one of the earliest countries to adopt universal employment rights and anti-discrimination laws which include LGBT people.

I think it's good to remember these things!

Rant over :D

P.S I think this is an old map, so some things have changed including Argentina having passed laws for same-sex marriage...

Wow. Was surprised (good and bad) about a few of those. T4P!

Congratulations to all involved and the creativity we saw! Congrats to Halish for our awesome, new, in game logo!!!

[file]http://old.ilga.org/Statehomophobia/ILGA_map_2010_A4.pdf[/file]

This is a neat little PDF I saw when reading up on GLBT news.