Hearing about these dark and light side points makes me wonder where they are going with it. Surely not new abilities because it would blur the lines between the sides too much. Perhaps some kind of reputation maybe...?

Part of me is excited and can't wait for the game to come out. The other part of me is so burnt out from playing World of Warcraft that I really don't want to play something similar to it. And from what I've read SW:TOR plays a lot like WoW. So I have mixed emotions. :-\

I think it looks great. Although, my co-workers at
Massively got to test it and they were underwhelmed, they said =\ not up to what they though it would be like

Another one, showing gameplay. Again, apologies if everyone has already seen this. It's new to me.

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Sorry if this has been posted before. I hadn't heard much about the game, but I'm pretty sure I just had my first squeegasm watching this:

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We plan on having a guild on the Sith side as well, called Lords of Stonewall.

The real question right now though is what servers will our guilds be on.

There will be different EU and US servers and between those servers, there will be PvE, PvP and Roleplay server.

Since we have both EU and US players on both the Sith and Jedi sides, and no doubt we'll have people wanting to do both PvP and PvE (maybe a few RPers, but that's never been a big part of our community), the mind boggles at the combinations necessary for everyone to be included.

Single server games are just so much easier.

I know I am not an officer but this seemed the appropriate place is there any thought of making a sith guild as well could be Lords of Stonewall

Hey all,

We had one a wee while back and there was some seriously awesome music posted :)

Feel free to post any taste of anything, but if you've got a good song feel free to share it :)





Enjoy!

First, let me just say thanks to all who weighed in on this thread. I was away from this site for a few days, and caught off guard by the outpouring of thoughts and opinions. Excellent discussion! I learned some things. What a great reminder of why I love this fleet!

And for those who have spoken out on "Ginger Pride" (I'm so stealing that) and said pro-ginger things, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. But for me it's not a ginger issue, not a gay or straight issue, but a respect issue. When someone singles out a group of people and treats them badly, simply because they are different in some way, it diminishes us all.

One thing I absolutely love about this fleet is how inclusive it is. While the demographics may change over time as people fade in and out of the game, the spirit of the fleet remains remarkably constant (thanks in no small part to Nick and the officers). I suppose that's why I was so taken aback by what happened in fleet chat that night. But I know that was an aberration. The fleet I see in this thread is the fleet I signed up for: supportive, inclusive, thoughtful, and just generally awesome!

So thank you, one and all--even those who don't agree with me or think I may have overreacted. Thank you for contributing to this discussion. Thank you for making me feel at home again. And thank you, officers and fleetmates alike, for creating a safe place for us to explore strange new worlds, seek out new life and new civilizations, and occasionally massacre the hell out of each other in PvP.

Episode 300 - Deep Space Nine - "Progress" - 05/09/1993

http://allstepisodes.com/linkdatabasems.php?n=3115

Kira has to deal with a stubborn farmer who refuses to leave his home even though it is slated for destruction.

Enjoy!

WHOOT! Episode 300!! :cheer:

That fact that it matters enough ti a member of our fleet that they would post about it in the forums, means that it should matter to all of us. Stonewall Fleet is supposed to be a family that means we support one another, that where there to listen when someone is upset were here make it better if we can, and that above all we treat others with kindness and respect. The bottom line is if someone says that that are offended or that something is not funny, it is not and the conversation should end. Really as they say on the Disney channel if you wouldn't say it in person don't say it online.

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So if some one says to someone your a puff, fag and such and harrases them about it and pushes them, they should "get over it"? I think not Id either give em something back or break their nose, even it it wasnt me they were refering to. Not everyone is up for breaking a nose of able to feel powerful to fight back, some of us cant just get over it as for years people have sffered under the banner of piss taking and sometimes nough becomes enough. I was in a channel last night when a conversation on language as in englisg etc came up. It bewgan as a joke and a bit of joking was going round about proper grammer but it soon became very racist by the comments that were being made. It got to the point that I ende up loosing my cool after a few times of trying to change the subject as it was upseting several people in trhe channel and the poeple talking just didnt see it until it was thrust in their face and soon it all stopped. My point being ios sometimes a joke can quickly change it tone and become harrasment, rasism, sexist, genederism etc. Anyhow my rant is lost in all this. Not everyone after all the tortures they have endured can get over it and we always have to be mindful of it.

Well you have a good point Colivia and normally I would agree, get over it as that's my general stance, however I totally sympathise with this thread.

The thing is about stuff like South Park is well you know it takes the piss out of everything and the bases for it's jokes are normally the more generalised stereotypical view of the world or that subject, not to mention the fact you can turn it off if you don't want to watch it.... you can't do that with people. I really hope that doesn't happen... cause I think they would make an off switch for me.... o_0

I think the point is sometimes things are said that are more directed towards individuals or being said to piss someone off/wind them up whatever you want to call it. Sometimes the subject hits close to home. Quite frankly if you are taking the piss out of someone you don't know, someone else that is watching and is in the same boat will actually take "said" topic offensively. To be honest the Ginger thing is kinda irritating especially if you were bullied when you were younger because of it. Then again that's just an example of a variety of topics and in a Fleet this size it's likely there will be disagreements on a lot of subjects.

Any way, I think what I'm trying to say is no matter what subject there is always going to be adversity, but would people take a bit of better consideration into what they say? As there is stating your opinion and then there's just being an ass. Delicately put? I hope so :)

What are you saying Colivia? I admit my interpretations of things are not always spot on, so before I respond I would like to know.

That gameplay video just felt so wrong to me because that Galaxy was turning so fast.

Personally, I'm not a fan of the birds-eye view. Didn't we leave that back in the 80's with the arcade games?

South Park has made "ginger"-bashing a punchline to several of their episodes. For the record I'm not saying it's right/wrong or tasteful. I have a feeling the "offender" was probably referencing that: http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s09e11-ginger-kids

Instead of writing my own lengthy response, I'll let Don Henley (Eagles) sing it for me:

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Episode 299 - Deep Space Nine - "The Storyteller" - 05/02/1993

http://www.allstepisodes.com/googlevideodatabase.php?n=3114

O'Brien is recruited to save a Bajoran village from destruction by a mysterious cloud creature.

Enjoy!

I wont say I'm surprised about this, the fleet chat can get heated things meant as a joke can quickly spin out of control.
A few things have been spinning in my mind in the hour our so since I've read this, the first was Sticks and stones May break my bones But words will never hurt me. anyone that was ever called names as a kid more then likely was told this, but honestly its not true, words do hurt and they have power. The second was the Buddhist concept of right speech. The best explanation I found about right speech was http://www.esolibris.com/articles/buddhism/buddhism_speech.php basically Right speech, explained in negative terms, means avoiding four types of harmful speech: lies (words spoken with the intent of misrepresenting the truth); divisive speech (spoken with the intent of creating rifts between people); harsh speech (spoken with the intent of hurting another person's feelings); and idle chatter (spoken with no purposeful intent at all) I had been trying to think of how to reply to this thread. In my research I found this http://www.quotelady.com/writings/power-of-words.html. In the end we need to honer each other, our selves, and our words.

I do think it is important to keep in mind that something that may come across as obviously joking when spoken may not come across as that when in written form. Hence my use of emoticons whenever I am making a particularly dry joke. Just to be sure that all parties involved know it is a joke.

Wow. It is really unfortunate that this happened. While I wasn't present for the discussion, it seems more than obvious that it affected the poster. For what it's worth, I have always held myself to a higher expectation than those around me simply because I can easily control what I project but not what others perceive. You can control projection but only influence others' perceptions of you. Something I have to keep in mind a lot due to my job. As a manager, the biggest part of my job is negotiation and conflict resolution. You would be surprised at some of the things that come up but if you handle them correctly, everybody wins and comes out for the better.

There is another thing that I never really understood until I became an adult--I guess you could say when I turned maybe 25 since I was a late bloomer!! I used to think that people said they were sorry because they were saying they were wrong. That can lead to a lot of problems since it is easy to find someone so stubborn that they will never apologize if they have to admit they were wrong. Instead, I came to understand that apologizing to someone simply because you hurt his or her feelings was the right thing to do. It reopens the door that got closed and starts a dialog that otherwise may never happen.

Bashers or those with poor social skills often times find themselves in Yahoo chats where they gang up on people or prey on others for a good time. This fleet is outstanding in its support and its ability to embrace all its members. We have members from all across the world, multiple continents, countries, time zones, etc. All too often, people claim that the world is being too sensitive. That may be true, but when someone goes out of his or her way to slight another person, therein lies the issue.

To the original poster, I'm sorry you had to go through all that. I'm sure everyone in this fleet has been picked on or bullied at least once. I'm proud to be a part of this fleet and if there was an emoticon in the boardcode for a hug, I'd enter it here. >:D