Episode 598 - Voyager - "Ashes to Ashes" - 03/01/2000

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A deceased crew member resurfaces, claiming to have been resurrected by an alien race who have since adopted her.

Enjoy!

Quote by Primantine

omg, i seriously hope this isn't just about a comment i made clearly in fun earlier this evening.

my comment "ugh, did someone say vaginal"
explanation: when i logged on there was this conversation ongoing about "breeders" and reproduction. someone referenced vaginal intercourse . . .

then i was called a hater . . .

i restated that i love women just not their lady parts . . .

more yelling at me . . .

i apologize . . .

more yelling . . .

i apologize again . . .

threats to quit the fleet . . .

really, AGAIN, if my comment offended I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE. But I never anticipated that comment would really set anyone off.

I never meant to specifically call out you as a person, there were 2-3 people saying things that made me uncomfortable. I didn't feel that you ever owed me an apology in the first place, my complaints are more about the overall tone that I've seen things take, not you or anybody else.

I never meant anything to come across as yelling, though I probably did get a bit defensive when I felt that everybody was ganging up on me.

omg, i seriously hope this isn't just about a comment i made clearly in fun earlier this evening.

my comment "ugh, did someone say vaginal"
explanation: when i logged on there was this conversation ongoing about "breeders" and reproduction. someone referenced vaginal intercourse . . .

then i was called a hater . . .

i restated that i love women just not their lady parts . . .

more yelling at me . . .

i apologize . . .

more yelling . . .

i apologize again . . .

threats to quit the fleet . . .

really, AGAIN, if my comment offended I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE. But I never anticipated that comment would really set anyone off.

Quote by Sixu

I dont believe fleetchat should be used as a vehicle for this for hours on end leaving all parties and spectators awkward, upset or angry.

I don't play STO very often at all, any more; but when I do, I've seen stuff in fleet chat that's made me switch to a PM window or /clear the window. Stuff that made me feel awkward and/or upset enough to stop the scroll of text. I never said anything about it, I just switch windows or /clear the box.

I suppose I should say something, but then I wonder if I have any right to. Perhaps I've said things in the past that made people feel awkward or upset but no one ever told me. So, I feel that the best option is for me to simply look away and let s/he who is without sin cast the stone. :p

Josh you have to admit this is a little far fetched. You have a tendency to say things in that chat that many people do not want to hear, but while some mind others do not because it is a +PG 13 channel after all. People are allowed to speak their minds in regards to issues even if you or anyone else disagrees with them. There can be out right vulgarity there and prejudiced, but at the end of the day everyone is entitled to their own opinion and having their own way of saying it.

People in the channel should remember it is PG 13 at the end of the day and should phrase things in a more polite manor, but it is a game with no real life consequences so people want to be open. We can tell people to be more respectful with what they say, but at the end of the day it's all down to personal opinion. Unless people are being out right rude giving abusive language we shouldn't be censoring what people say. Have you seen the rest of STO's channels? I though we were a fleet of gay guys, women, transgendered? Being an LGBT fleet, but that doesn't disallow straight members who I notice take part in these chats quite a lot. These topics aren't gay half the time it's just general topics with a gay twist i reckon :P

I've been on and not seen much of this, but I do know it can happen. When it occasionally does happen I just remind them it's pg13 and they stop it. In fact don't realize they went overboard.

You were an officer and you know we can't always control what goes on Chat nor would be want to. Freedom of speech dude, gotta deal with it.

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Quote by The Seacat

but honestly mate, if you see that then quash it, or grab another one of us or all of us. I dont think many of the good people would tolerate that kind of nonsense if they realized what it was.

I did that, and was asked to not talk about it in fleet chat, to only talk about it on the forums. Nobody seemed to think I had a leg to stand on. Sigh. I just left the fed fleet and alt fleet, but still have my main in the house of nagh red.

The reason why I asked you not to, is because the user whose comments you were offended by did profusely apologise for any offence caused. Personally, I think that should hve been the end of it in fleet chat, but I got the impression you were like a dog with a bone over the issue, even after I tried to steer the conversation away. You may have a point, you have every right to counter any offence caused by someone, but I dont believe fleetchat should be used as a vehicle for this for hours on end leaving all parties and spectators awkward, upset or angry. I havent personally witnessed the stuff youve brought up by othrr fleet mates, but I do believe if any serious offence is caused it should be investigated. Which is why bringing it privately to other mods/admins is the way to go..imo :)

I'm at work but wanted to respond, I do see your point fleet chat dosent always reflect our fleets collective values, and this is more then worth talking about. You'be added a lot of value to this fleet, if this upsets you enough to post here, it matters to me. What would you like to see?

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Lion's Arch is huge. At level 10 I made 3/4 of a level exploring it to 100% complete. The only professions I didn't try were the Guardian and Mesmer. Really liked the character and story of the Norn Engineer, and liked all the professions. That's what I'll start with although there are still 2 races to try. The dynamic events reminded me a lot of The Rift, but better. Awful lot of dying in the game though. So many players for the end, someone wrote in chat that their screen looked like somebody smeared water color all over it. Pretty much right on that. Fun time!

Only down side to the weekend was missing all of you.. I was so lost and overwhelmed I probably wouldn't have been much company anyway..

Otherwise I had a blast!! The end event with the monster bunny was to funny.. DE were great fun and WvW brought back the excitement of having a purpose behind PvP..

I tried out Ranger, Engineer, Guardian, and Warrior.. the surprise class for me was the Engineer.. Not a class I thought I'd be interested in at all but I want to try them all over the BWE so I gave him a go and fell in love with it.. I think Ranger will still be my main but Engineer might well take the place of Warrior as my second..

Still have a lot more to test out though.. so who knows..

Quote by The Seacat

but honestly mate, if you see that then quash it, or grab another one of us or all of us. I dont think many of the good people would tolerate that kind of nonsense if they realized what it was.

I did that, and was asked to not talk about it in fleet chat, to only talk about it on the forums. Nobody seemed to think I had a leg to stand on. Sigh. I just left the fed fleet and alt fleet, but still have my main in the house of nagh red.

I honestly do not think ive seen that, mabye im not paying enough attention. Is it a particular group of people perhapse?

I mean, we can get kinda heated and push the edge when we are having aggressive negotiations in chat, but it seems to cool off pretty much. I just think that the majority of our topics have to deal with Homosexual Male things, as thats what alot of us are. But I can not recall any anti-feminism or hetrophobia while im online.

but honestly mate, if you see that then quash it, or grab another one of us or all of us. I dont think many of the good people would tolerate that kind of nonsense if they realized what it was.

I first joined stonewall fleet over two years ago, because I was thrilled to find an accepting and inclusive fleet that doesn't make a habit out of using language that is disparaging against one group or another.

In the last few months tho, that seems to have changed. It's almost every day that I am on fleet chat and see something from somebody that comes across sexist, misogynistic, homocentric, or even downright offensive.

We are not a fleet for gay guys, we are a fleet for everybody, and it's simply not appropriate for us to allow all the woman hating and straight hating that goes on in fleet chat.

I find it hard to believe that I am the only one to be bothered by this. What can we do to bring things back in line with our purpose.

Taken from the homepage of our site:

Stonewall Fleet makes Gene Roddenberry's vision of a future where humans are equal and free of prejudice a reality. While our mission is to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new civilizations and to boldly go where no one has gone before, our mandate is to create a fleet to carry out this mission in a manner that respects all human rights and welcomes everyone with open arms.

Lace: I didn't know of any way to export the data, so I did it the hard way since I don't have a multiple monitor setup or know of any easy way...logged into each character individually, entered into my crafting screen, sorted my schematics by level, wrote all the purples/oranges down on paper, and manually entered it into Excel. If anyone knows of a convenient exporting feature, that'd be really helpful. I was just feeling a bit ambitious and wanting to let everyone know the items I can craft and hope people want them so I can feel useful to the guild. :)

ltervlet: Hehe, thanks. But crafting is an expensive hobby...my toons are BROKE! I remember when I hit 400 crafting on my first toon, Vondur. I had just reached Level 50 and getting to 400 was my next big objective (moreso than HM flashpoints, ops groups, PvP). When he finally hit 400, he was the most impoverished Darth in the galaxy -- only 6 credits in the bank (yes, that's total credits, not thousand...for a level 50). I was laughing so hard when that happened. It's kind of like my next highest character, Arion, on the Repub side. He's in line to train for Speeder 2 -- HA! Nope, not enough credits. I'll build up the money, but as I do, I level up, and I like to have better gear as I level. No Speeder 2 for me...yet. I'll probably go directly to Speeder 3 when I eventually get the funds. On some of the toons, I've had to worry about "do I have enough credits to travel to my next planet? Or do I need to farm/pvp first just so I can jump to hyperspace?"

The 20% mark seems about right to me. Seems like about 1 in every 5 or 6 items I reverse engineer gives me something (for the ones that are 20%). I'll go on hot streaks, then I'll have a couple of cold ones where it takes me several more to get the schematic I want. The 10% items, I think I've been a little behind the curve, but probably not a standard deviation out, though. Then again, this is just an impression; no data to back it up.

This looks cool but could use some advice on how you made your listing ... not on the converting excel to hmtl .. but on how you flagged what you could make on a particular toon .. did you just filter for a crafting type then export all then check off what you could do and post that .. was it that simple? cause I got so many frakking crafters one of each on basically each side with one mule toon now since legacy that is feeding the sides mats and stuff from each other side

Quote by LesleyA

I tried the warrior and the elementalist but must admit I did spend a fair bit of time exploring rather than fighting.

I did love the Whispers Adepts 'secret hideout' dialogues as they were quite fun. Of course a few errors had to be submitted as text really made no sense at all the way they were written. Lions arch is gorgeous.

I completely forgot to check out Lion's Arch! :pinch:

I'll have to make that a priority during the next BWE. ;)

5 for 4-30, including both Kirsten Dunst and Larry Nivens.

I tried the warrior and the elementalist but must admit I did spend a fair bit of time exploring rather than fighting.

I did love the Whispers Adepts 'secret hideout' dialogues as they were quite fun. Of course a few errors had to be submitted as text really made no sense at all the way they were written. Lions arch is gorgeous.

WOW QiqJoe, it looks like you have the "purple" gear market covered. I am truly impressed with your level of crafting. I don't think I have any purples or oranges yet. I have a few lowly blues but nothing higher and I've been REing quite a bit. Somehow I think Bioware's estimate of increased yield of 20% on upgraded recipes is a bit "stretched" (for want of a better term....lol) You've had to have spent a lot of time crafting and REing back to back to have amassed such an impressive listing of purple/orange gear. :woohoo:

I only ended up logging on for part of the day on Saturday due to real-world commitments. Boo. Hiss.

Since I had limited time, I stuck with PVE. I didn't bother with the main questline, but opted to run amok and check out the dynamic events. I tried most of the classes for a bit (Greatsword Mesmer was a blast), but I ended up focusing primarily on the Ranger, the Guardian, and the Elementalist.

Ranger was a lot of fun. It was a little different from most "hunter" types I've played before, which created a nice bit of a learning curve. Had I more time, I would have tried out some more weapons options. I'll be focusing on the Ranger some more during the next BWE.

Guardian was awesome. Let me say that again. Awesome! I used a hammer as soon as I could, and I felt like a god. I loved combat with the Guardian. It felt like I was actually "messing sh** up" and not just swinging around a giant, featherweight, 2-handed hammer. I'll definitely be playing one at launch.

The Elementalist was everything I wanted in a magic user and more. The attunements were wonderful. The healer in me liked Water; I had fun healing some of the tougher dynamic events. I tried to push my limits with the Elementalist, switching in and out of various attunements during combat and figuring out what worked best with what. With my staff, I found myself spending a lot of time going from fire (initial dmg) to water (snare/quickie heal) to air (knockback) to fire (finish em off). I'm pretty sure the Elementalist will be my main class at launch.
(edit: I'd also like to state that if anyone loved the Druid class in WoW -- but couldn't find anything remotely similar to it in other games -- ought to give the Elementalist a whirl.)

I'd love to hear what the rest of you thought about the classes you played.

Beta weekend was a lot of fun.

Thankfully I had no lag until Sunday evening around 8pm EST. Agree about the world events or area events. They where a lot of fun to jump in and tackle and I was amazed at how helpful folks where, I would die and several would run over to help me rezz or kill the mobs beating on me. I tried pvp but at level 2 I was getting my butt handed to me. LOL

I hope they work some of the bugs out as GW2 looks like it could be a very fun game up and thru end game.