Nominal integration is no abstract matter: gay clubs have been opposed on the grounds that homosexuals should not be creating ghettoes but should be mixing with everyone else. Liberals who talk in this facile way have grasped the notion of individuals stignatised by the label ‘homosexual’ but not what that label is all about.

Homosexuality is not simply a personal quirk but a matter of relationships, and as such requires social expression. What could be more natural than for homosexuals to enjoy each others’ company — even in a society in which homosexuality was not stignatised. The reactionary blimp who rumbles on about “secret societies” is in fact closer to the truth than the liberal who claims that homosexuals are no different from anyone else.

Talk of “getting homosexuals out of the ghettoes” conceals both the liberal dislike of groupings which exclude him and the fact that most gays would dearly like a ghetto to get out of. The liberal vents his displeasure by telling gay people that they are divisive if they fail to mix socially with non-gay people, saying that instead they should devote their energies tro the life of the community as a whole.

Liberals so easily betray the emptiness of their calls for integration*. Mary Stott in theGuardianchides lesbians for feeling like outcasts, and then in next breath says that “we” should “accept” homosexuals — as though the readership of theGuardianwere exclusively heterosexual! The liberal “we” invariably excludes the very minority whose integration is being urged.

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Read this thread if you want to know how scared some straight guys are about an unofficial glbt server.

I see that thread from a different point of view. Except for those few that tried to slide in some hate, it seemed like most tried to have a reasonable discussion about it.

True, compared to other similar forum threads, only one post was purely an insult. Compared to the SWTOR same gender romance arc flame thread, this remained a mature discussion. In general the community on that forum don't troll/qq/... much. I don't know if that tells something about curse forum communities or about the guild wars 2 community.

The 'vocal minority' in that thread doesn't seem to like an unofficial glbt sever. Ranging from people saying that we're supposed to blend in because it's a game so our sexuality does not matter, to people being worried about the straight minority on an unofficial glbt sever.

What 'reasonable discussion'? If we want to group up on a server that is our decision to make. We're not telling anyone one else on what server they should play. Why does a straight guy open a thread about it? Why do so many straight people respond? What are they scared off?

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Read this thread if you want to know how scared some straight guys are about an unofficial glbt server.

I see that thread from a different point of view. Except for those few that tried to slide in some hate, it seemed like most tried to have a reasonable discussion about it.

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Read this thread if you want to know how scared some straight guys are about an unofficial glbt server.

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It's going to really fuck with a lot of people's minds when they they start to realize the whole no tank/heal/dps thing.

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It's going to really fuck with a lot of people's minds when they they start to realize the whole no tank/heal/dps thing.