House of Nagh'reD Monthly Event
Warriors rejoice for we battle together soon!
Niko
Voleron
[EVENT] Walk To Mordor Challenge
Thanks, Gareth for an awesome event! We know it was a lot of effort to put this together and to update the map and everyone’s totals daily.
Really motivated me to stay active during a paperwork heavy week. I loved how this wasn’t just a steps challenge, but how we got to pick our characters and use our steps to imagine that we were doing something fun and geeky that we can all relate to! Was great - you’ll have to do something like this again!
Really motivated me to stay active during a paperwork heavy week. I loved how this wasn’t just a steps challenge, but how we got to pick our characters and use our steps to imagine that we were doing something fun and geeky that we can all relate to! Was great - you’ll have to do something like this again!
georgiadawg83
[EVENT] Walk To Mordor Challenge
Thanks so much for organizing this challenge--I had fun and it was a great way to jump-start my new treadmill!
Gravity
GXV3
[EVENT] Walk To Mordor Challenge
Thank you for all the effort Gareth it was a fun event and i enjoyed reading the entries people made of their journey.
Thank you for sending me your steps for sunday (your "dancing steps" from when you went out for your birthday, as you told me) although you already completed the challenge.. you must be a good dancer! and happy Birthday
Kierix
[EVENT] Walk To Mordor Challenge
The character system really made it fun, thanks g and all my friends here (that's all of you) participating
Gravity
[EVENT] Walk To Mordor Challenge
Thank you for all the effort Gareth it was a fun event and i enjoyed reading the entries people made of their journey.
GXV3
[EVENT] Walk To Mordor Challenge
Today is #MordorResults day, Having taken part in this Challenge for a full week, Congratulations!!
You all have done a fantastic job.
If you have gone the extra mile in your walking routine due to this challenge you should feel extra proud.. and healthy!
At the start of this challenge I was debating if over 70k steps was a bit to much, due to peoples lifestyles.. stuck in work all week, Hot weather, life comitment all getting in the way etc.. and i was thinking of lowering it, but you proved me wrong.
Looking at the feedback rom some of you like Georgiadawg and Voleron, you enjoyed the challenge.
So feel free to write any feedback about this event down below and if you enjoyed it maybe we can do another one soon?
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A few facts about this event
you have all done a culmative Step total of 1,247,828 Steps
(one million two hundred forty-seven thousand eight hundred twenty-eight Steps)
That is 590 Miles / 949 km
- You've walked up and down the Las Vegas Strip 150 times
- you Have walked the Grand Canyon Twice nearly twice
- You have walked from Toronto (canada) to Chicago (USA)
- You have walked in circles around the Indianapolis Motor Speedway 250 times
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As ive said in previous posts.. this was a Challenge, not a race.. so below in no paticular order are your steps results for the week.
Congrats to the people who made it to the Bonus Challenge!
(to the challenge completers who sent extra days steps in, ive not listed them on these results)
Well Done @gravity @midnighttlc @traull @sixgunsound @saintplazma @georgiadawg83 @crashcart9 @suigetsu @tlara @mstfrancis
Well done to all above.
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your SWC members cards will be updated within a few hours of this post.
(if you have forgotten your members card link, PM me)
(if you have forgotten your members card link, PM me)
Thanks for taking time out to take on this challenge!
CHALLENGE COMPLETE!!
Lars_Zandor
House of Nagh'reD May'Qep Monthly Event
Warriors! Hear the call for battle! Starting this Sunday, 3rd of June, the House of Nagh'reD will start hosting a montly event on the first Sunday of every month, filled with KDF-themed ingame activities! We will do something different every month, but this month we'll do a host of various PvE activities!
Not only will we have a great time fighting side by side, but there is also a chance of winning some SWC's! Some SWC's will be raffled (you will join the raffle simply by joining the event) and some SWC's will be given to warriors who fight with honour and glory worthy of Kahless himself!
Also join us on voicechat on Discord! Even if you don't have a microphone or don't like to talk, you're still welcome to listen and (if you want) respond in the ingame SFEvents channel! (To join the ingame SFEvents channel, copy paste the following command in your chat and press enter: "/channel_join sfevents"). Check here to see how to join Discord.
So hear, my fellow warriors! Hear the call for battle and join us this Sunday at 17.00 UTC/13.00 EDT!
SiranNataan
Occupy White Walls
Whittier Strong
7 mins ·
So last night I downloaded and started playing a free-to-play game I saw advertised on Facebook. Ordinarily, this wouldn't bode well, as some of these games are just not up to snuff. But this wonderful little game is different.
Occupy White Walls is like The Sims as an MMO, combined with a college course in art history. You build an art museum, with lots of architectural options, and select the art you want to hang--as I understand it, they're digitized versions of works from the Met. As you select pieces, the game steers you to other pieces you might like, and each one has a ton of information about the artist and the work. Other players can visit your museum and comment on it, as well as on the artwork. Every hour, whether you're in game or not, you earn money from visitors to your museum, both other players and NPCs, which you can use to expand your museum.
It's very much an "ungame," and so far, the players have been so friendly. The whole setting is rather peaceful. The game is still in alpha, so they're getting feedback and working out bugs. I have the occasional capacity to crash when I go to another player's museum, but beyond that, no major issues thus far.
As an art lover and a Sims building fanatic, I can't recommend it enough.
7 mins ·
So last night I downloaded and started playing a free-to-play game I saw advertised on Facebook. Ordinarily, this wouldn't bode well, as some of these games are just not up to snuff. But this wonderful little game is different.
Occupy White Walls is like The Sims as an MMO, combined with a college course in art history. You build an art museum, with lots of architectural options, and select the art you want to hang--as I understand it, they're digitized versions of works from the Met. As you select pieces, the game steers you to other pieces you might like, and each one has a ton of information about the artist and the work. Other players can visit your museum and comment on it, as well as on the artwork. Every hour, whether you're in game or not, you earn money from visitors to your museum, both other players and NPCs, which you can use to expand your museum.
It's very much an "ungame," and so far, the players have been so friendly. The whole setting is rather peaceful. The game is still in alpha, so they're getting feedback and working out bugs. I have the occasional capacity to crash when I go to another player's museum, but beyond that, no major issues thus far.
As an art lover and a Sims building fanatic, I can't recommend it enough.
GXV3
[EVENT] Walk To Mordor Challenge
Yesterday you all Stepped up... well done to @dax_aussie_boy for being a #RingDestroyer , Cal and Teknomancer you are not far away at all.. just a few more steps needed to destroy the ring and gain another SWC!
Cai and Ted have reached home!! congrats.. can you go a little extra and sail off from Grey Havens?
a lot of you are making your way home and are nearly there... push a bit extra today.. its the last day of the challenge!
congrats to @gravity @midnighttlc and @sixgunsound for doing the bonus step challenge and becoming Emortal!
SAT TOP 5 WALKERS
1st Place - Kierix
2nd Place - Akinori
3rd Place - Midnighttlc
4th Place - Trek911
5th Place - Cogitoergodoleo
Remember this is your last day to get great steps in.. I will make a big update post tomorrow evening with all your facts and stats to take a look at. Go fourth!!! make some steps!!
GXV3
[EVENT] Walk To Mordor Challenge
The weekend is here and you all have done amazing so far (check the map on the 1st page for your positions), most of you have already destroyed your Rings and are making your way home... the route from Isengard Back to Rivendell may look long on the map.. but its not that far... Some of you are really close to Destroying the ring... you just need a few extra steps a day.. jogging on the spot, walking up and down the stairs may help you.
Well done to @ambulancedrivermb (Trek911) for destroing his ring today #RingDestroyer
Also a Massive Well done to Joogoo @traull For Reaching the Bonus stage of Grey Havens, He has sailed off to the Magical Elvish lands to Live forever and become a god!
Well done Joogoo, you have more than completed the Challenge!!
Joogoo This week has done a total of
82,284 steps
CHALLENGE COMPLETE FOR JOOGOO!
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FRIDAYS TOP 5 TRAVLERS
1st Place - @midnighttlc - 20172 steps
2nd Place - @gravity - 18084 steps
3rd Place - @georgiadawg83 -15802 steps
4th Place - @saintplazma - 14116 steps
5th Place - @tlara - 11924 steps
(last day of Steps Sun 27th)
Mstfrancis
[EVENT] Walk To Mordor Challenge
Our journey has come to a close. Our stay in Minas Tirith was short yet joyous. Our kinsmen awoke at daybreak and with enough food and drink in their stomachs to last several weeks felt the need to traverse home as much of the dwellers of Rivendell and Hobbiton do. We were asked to stay for another day but we graciously declined as we were all very ready to return back to our respective beds. There is a power or calling that only ones home has on them, it is a constant reminder in the ever changing world that there is a special space reserved for you, and you alone.
Some of us have that power drive us back home for our families and friends stronger than others. While some, have other plans. We assembled shortly before mid morning and set out. I remember strapping my sheath to my back, and feeling it a bit lighter than normal. At first I thought that maybe it was the pull home was greater than the weight on my shoulders but it stayed light through our journey back through Rivendell.
We were greeted home by a releasing of white flowers into the canyon zephyr. The sky was filled with floating lilies and ranunculus. They drifted aimlessly and lightly as if they were held up by magic. The elders were festooned in white flowing robed with etched mithril trims. They honored us in collars of sage and silver. They laid them across our chests careful to not cover our highest honor from the King of Gondor. They asked us to participate in a lighting of the lanterns ceremony.
We each lit a candle and affixed it to a paper lantern, and when asked we let them sail over from the seat of the Elders and into the ravine below. They gently drifted down the gulley across the falls and were merged by a releasing of hundreds more. Each lantern illuminated as one among hundreds in a sea of light.
It was the first time that the elders had spoken to me since I was bequeathed the Sword of the Ancients. One whom I had known since a child, whispered that I had finally earned its right to wear it. He smiled and gripped my arm and pointed to the bay at the end of the falls. He let me know that my journey does not end here. I asked him what he meant when another Elder came to take his attention. He nodded to me and winked before he turned away.
Later that evening a hobbit came to me and asked if I could escort their group tonight back to hobbiton. I obliged and set off.
Our journey was quick and only lasted a few hours. After ensuring that they were safely in their homes I turned back for Rivendell, but I could not help but feel pause as I stood at a fork in the road. One pointed home and the other pointed to the Gulf of Lune. I couldn’t help but feel the curiosity fo the Elders words. Even though this journey would mean I walk through the night to Grey Havens without sleep, I began on the path down to the bay.
I arrived early morning, the sun just cusping the waters edge.
I found a sea side inn that had chairs and tables outside on the dockyard, a man tending bar told me that they were not serving breakfast yet, but I was welcome to stay. I thanked him for his generosity as I let my feet rest. I stared out to the bay, the large narrow ships rocked gently in the harbor. I looked up from the waters edge to the chasm above me. Even with squinting I barely made out the council of Elders seats from which I was told to go here. After staring longly at home a turned back to the bay where a familiar face stood quietly in front of me. It was my Elder who told me to come here.
“Azreath,” he called to me I’m familiar yet strange Elfish dialect. I told him I had never heard my name spoken so beautifully. He began to explain.
When I was born a Valar came to him and spoke my name. The same as the person who watched over him and the people before him. This was a sign that when he heard the name spoken aloud that he would need to keep an eye on me and ensure that I was pointed in the right direction. He asked if I knew who had the sword before myself and I said no, he informed me that it was a Maiar like myself, who journeyed on to the path to Lindon. The key to my entry was the sword and the lock was the epic I faced, battling Maiar who aligned with Sauron. As my trials were over I was to go to Lindon and join the ranks of Maiar, like the ones before me. I asked how I was not aware of this. He said, that I was to be born into the Elf Kingdom unaware of my powers. One in many are to be born this way ever since many were corrupted by power greater than themselves.
I abstained from it and defeated the evil king with my journeymen.
I stood shocked, as if time had stopped. Things I knew about myself were becoming true. Unfounded feelings from deep inside of me were finally fitting into the puzzle. It became clearer. And as a ship reached port adorning a figurehead guild in a shimmering mithril, I knew this was for me. The skipper called down for me, I nodded and began to unsheathe my sword and as I did the Elder stopped me and said, this is also the path of the sword.
I refastened the straps. Nodded again and boarded the ship to Lindon. As we set sail the sky almost appeared as it was stitched to the sea. I looked out and felt that I was finally truly heading home.
Some of us have that power drive us back home for our families and friends stronger than others. While some, have other plans. We assembled shortly before mid morning and set out. I remember strapping my sheath to my back, and feeling it a bit lighter than normal. At first I thought that maybe it was the pull home was greater than the weight on my shoulders but it stayed light through our journey back through Rivendell.
We were greeted home by a releasing of white flowers into the canyon zephyr. The sky was filled with floating lilies and ranunculus. They drifted aimlessly and lightly as if they were held up by magic. The elders were festooned in white flowing robed with etched mithril trims. They honored us in collars of sage and silver. They laid them across our chests careful to not cover our highest honor from the King of Gondor. They asked us to participate in a lighting of the lanterns ceremony.
We each lit a candle and affixed it to a paper lantern, and when asked we let them sail over from the seat of the Elders and into the ravine below. They gently drifted down the gulley across the falls and were merged by a releasing of hundreds more. Each lantern illuminated as one among hundreds in a sea of light.
It was the first time that the elders had spoken to me since I was bequeathed the Sword of the Ancients. One whom I had known since a child, whispered that I had finally earned its right to wear it. He smiled and gripped my arm and pointed to the bay at the end of the falls. He let me know that my journey does not end here. I asked him what he meant when another Elder came to take his attention. He nodded to me and winked before he turned away.
Later that evening a hobbit came to me and asked if I could escort their group tonight back to hobbiton. I obliged and set off.
Our journey was quick and only lasted a few hours. After ensuring that they were safely in their homes I turned back for Rivendell, but I could not help but feel pause as I stood at a fork in the road. One pointed home and the other pointed to the Gulf of Lune. I couldn’t help but feel the curiosity fo the Elders words. Even though this journey would mean I walk through the night to Grey Havens without sleep, I began on the path down to the bay.
I arrived early morning, the sun just cusping the waters edge.
I found a sea side inn that had chairs and tables outside on the dockyard, a man tending bar told me that they were not serving breakfast yet, but I was welcome to stay. I thanked him for his generosity as I let my feet rest. I stared out to the bay, the large narrow ships rocked gently in the harbor. I looked up from the waters edge to the chasm above me. Even with squinting I barely made out the council of Elders seats from which I was told to go here. After staring longly at home a turned back to the bay where a familiar face stood quietly in front of me. It was my Elder who told me to come here.
“Azreath,” he called to me I’m familiar yet strange Elfish dialect. I told him I had never heard my name spoken so beautifully. He began to explain.
When I was born a Valar came to him and spoke my name. The same as the person who watched over him and the people before him. This was a sign that when he heard the name spoken aloud that he would need to keep an eye on me and ensure that I was pointed in the right direction. He asked if I knew who had the sword before myself and I said no, he informed me that it was a Maiar like myself, who journeyed on to the path to Lindon. The key to my entry was the sword and the lock was the epic I faced, battling Maiar who aligned with Sauron. As my trials were over I was to go to Lindon and join the ranks of Maiar, like the ones before me. I asked how I was not aware of this. He said, that I was to be born into the Elf Kingdom unaware of my powers. One in many are to be born this way ever since many were corrupted by power greater than themselves.
I abstained from it and defeated the evil king with my journeymen.
I stood shocked, as if time had stopped. Things I knew about myself were becoming true. Unfounded feelings from deep inside of me were finally fitting into the puzzle. It became clearer. And as a ship reached port adorning a figurehead guild in a shimmering mithril, I knew this was for me. The skipper called down for me, I nodded and began to unsheathe my sword and as I did the Elder stopped me and said, this is also the path of the sword.
I refastened the straps. Nodded again and boarded the ship to Lindon. As we set sail the sky almost appeared as it was stitched to the sea. I looked out and felt that I was finally truly heading home.
Kierix
[EVENT] Walk To Mordor Challenge
With the temptation of the ring gone, kierixs mind is once again freed, and they were able to take in the raw power of mount doom... The size of it, the ferocity of the lava and the power emitted from the magma underground.
The laylines here are strong, no wonder the rings forged here were so powerful, it's such a shame this place is one of evil, otherwise so much could be done, as he turned to leave, he snagged a couple of volcanic rocks of the ground, partly momentoes, partly for magical purposes.
They have more than just a raw beauty to then these rocks they feel like low Levels of magical energy industry of them...
"Hmmm, I could use these to hell my fellow adventurers on their treks!"
Opening the make shift book of spells kierix scrolled to the pages on enchantment and began to infuse the stones with magic...
"ut lapides isti in praesidium amicis auxilio opportuno, obsecro superos..." The elementalist chanted feeling his palms grow warm and flow with magical energy.
After they finished enchanting all the stones they began to fasten them to pieces of string to form make shift necklaces, in the hopes of handing them out to those who passed the elementalist.
For it was a long trek back to Hobbiton...
The laylines here are strong, no wonder the rings forged here were so powerful, it's such a shame this place is one of evil, otherwise so much could be done, as he turned to leave, he snagged a couple of volcanic rocks of the ground, partly momentoes, partly for magical purposes.
They have more than just a raw beauty to then these rocks they feel like low Levels of magical energy industry of them...
"Hmmm, I could use these to hell my fellow adventurers on their treks!"
Opening the make shift book of spells kierix scrolled to the pages on enchantment and began to infuse the stones with magic...
"ut lapides isti in praesidium amicis auxilio opportuno, obsecro superos..." The elementalist chanted feeling his palms grow warm and flow with magical energy.
After they finished enchanting all the stones they began to fasten them to pieces of string to form make shift necklaces, in the hopes of handing them out to those who passed the elementalist.
For it was a long trek back to Hobbiton...
GXV3
[EVENT] Walk To Mordor Challenge
Thursday Saw 6 fellowship members throw their ring into Mount Doom in Mordor!! Congrats to @tlara @caijamin @suigetsu @midnighttlc
@Voleron and @georgiadawg83 , the rest of you arnt far behind at all!!
You can do it, youll be suprised how fast you go, and with the weekend coming.... you may have more time!
This isnt a competition remember.. there is no winner here, its a challenge.
We do have Someone who has reached Home!! @traull has made it back safe and sound to Hobbiton!! ... but can he go the extra steps and reach grey Havens to be Eternal??
Also..... Francis has made it... past Hobbiton and Sailed off to Elvish magical lands to live Eternaly!!
Congrats To Francis on making it ALL the way and hitting bonus steps.
Mstfrancis This week has done a total of
79,845 steps
CHALLENGE COMPLETE FOR FRANCIS
Thursdays Top 5 Travelers
1st Place @mstfrancis - 18,920 steps
2nd Place @caijamin - 18,878 steps
3rd Place @midnighttlc - 16,469 steps
4th Place @voleron - 15,174 steps
5th Place @tlara - 13,314 steps
2nd Place @caijamin - 18,878 steps
3rd Place @midnighttlc - 16,469 steps
4th Place @voleron - 15,174 steps
5th Place @tlara - 13,314 steps
GXV3
[EVENT] Walk To Mordor Challenge
Wow we have Some Wednesday Warriors among us, 4 of you have managed to throw your Ring into the lava filled Mount Doom when you reached Mordor, and some of you ran straight out of there onto the next locations! Congrats to @gravity , @crashcart9 , @mstfrancis and @sixgunsound for being a #RingDestroyer
Not many of you are far behind at all! Can we get more Ring Destroyers tomorrow??
(see the first posts map for your locations & updates)
So far you have all Walked a cumulative total of 260 Miles / 418 Km this week!!
(Thats Like Walking on a direct path up Mount Everest 45 times.
Or, Riding on "the Beast" Rollar coaster in Ohio 200 times.
Wednesday's Top 5 Travlers
1st Place @mstfrancis - 9.68 Miles
2nd Place @traull - 8.00 Miles
3rd Place @midnighttlc - 7.18 Miles
4th Place @crashcart9 - 6.84 Miles
5th Place @gravity - 6.08 Miles
#walktomordor
Mstfrancis
[EVENT] Walk To Mordor Challenge
It is done. The ring has been destroyed!
Tonight’s victory does not go unnoticed as the city of Minas Tirith was erupting with cheer as we stopped to celebrate. It is shocking to see that a city just the day previous was under siege by an army of Orcs 600 column deep, is ablaze in a cacophony of celebration. The Orc pyres are burning brighter as people run the streets with mead and ciders in hand singing of victory.
It was a welcome sight and for a moment the weight of my blade on my back was unnoticed. We stopped at a few local inns by guests wanting to share in their jubilee. Our troop sat with guests as they wove wonderfully elaborate tales bigger than any tapestry in town. I gladly imbibed as I sat next to a dwarf I have come to enjoy, his mastery of word play as he spun his story was so clever as to scholars should take a few notes.
We eventually made our way to the citadel atop the hill, where we were honored by the newly crowned king himself. Highest honor was bestowed upon our shoulders in the form of a mithril pin that lays nicely on my lapel. First men of Gondor it states. I was so proud in what we have done. I felt as large as the exaggerated tales being told earlier in the day. As we should, even though the tales were big, there was much truth in the feats we pulled. Modor was more taxing than any of us could have imagined. The altitude alone made the air so thin that the deepest of breaths made for little air. The heat of the volcano was as oppressive as a hundred summers days in one afternoon. The armies of men we fought were as proficient in pummeling us as if they were born to fight. Each swing of their mallets and chains leaving death or scars where they fell. The hardest of all was watching our hobbit companion fall to the power of the ring before casting it into the magma below. I watched as the young man full of hope become twisted as power unknown to us enveloped him, it was as if the hopeful glow in him went dark for an instant. But alas the good prevailed as the ring fell and was consumed by the molten rock.
I will not forget our friends sacrifice of self to wear that burden. I wish he could be with us here to be honored. The king himself appeared to notice his absence. The ceremony as short and the honored guests including myself were asked to dine and rest with the new royal court. We happily obliged as I was starving and hadn’t had a good meal in three days. I needed something other than long grain, grasses and the sulfur rich waters we traversed.
At the end of this entry I sit thinking of the deeds of my fellow companions and look forward to the remaining journey home tomorrow. I, like my comrades, will be happy to sleep in their own beds soon. Rest easy men, you deserve it.
Tonight’s victory does not go unnoticed as the city of Minas Tirith was erupting with cheer as we stopped to celebrate. It is shocking to see that a city just the day previous was under siege by an army of Orcs 600 column deep, is ablaze in a cacophony of celebration. The Orc pyres are burning brighter as people run the streets with mead and ciders in hand singing of victory.
It was a welcome sight and for a moment the weight of my blade on my back was unnoticed. We stopped at a few local inns by guests wanting to share in their jubilee. Our troop sat with guests as they wove wonderfully elaborate tales bigger than any tapestry in town. I gladly imbibed as I sat next to a dwarf I have come to enjoy, his mastery of word play as he spun his story was so clever as to scholars should take a few notes.
We eventually made our way to the citadel atop the hill, where we were honored by the newly crowned king himself. Highest honor was bestowed upon our shoulders in the form of a mithril pin that lays nicely on my lapel. First men of Gondor it states. I was so proud in what we have done. I felt as large as the exaggerated tales being told earlier in the day. As we should, even though the tales were big, there was much truth in the feats we pulled. Modor was more taxing than any of us could have imagined. The altitude alone made the air so thin that the deepest of breaths made for little air. The heat of the volcano was as oppressive as a hundred summers days in one afternoon. The armies of men we fought were as proficient in pummeling us as if they were born to fight. Each swing of their mallets and chains leaving death or scars where they fell. The hardest of all was watching our hobbit companion fall to the power of the ring before casting it into the magma below. I watched as the young man full of hope become twisted as power unknown to us enveloped him, it was as if the hopeful glow in him went dark for an instant. But alas the good prevailed as the ring fell and was consumed by the molten rock.
I will not forget our friends sacrifice of self to wear that burden. I wish he could be with us here to be honored. The king himself appeared to notice his absence. The ceremony as short and the honored guests including myself were asked to dine and rest with the new royal court. We happily obliged as I was starving and hadn’t had a good meal in three days. I needed something other than long grain, grasses and the sulfur rich waters we traversed.
At the end of this entry I sit thinking of the deeds of my fellow companions and look forward to the remaining journey home tomorrow. I, like my comrades, will be happy to sleep in their own beds soon. Rest easy men, you deserve it.
[EVENT] Walk To Mordor Challenge
@balduranne id keep your phone on you until the end of the day.. even walking arounf the house will mark your steps up... walking to the bathroom, to the fridge etc.
but if you want me to use the above, I can
I would, if it would comfortably fit in my pocket. Stupid girl clothes!
GXV3
[EVENT] Walk To Mordor Challenge
@balduranne id keep your phone on you until the end of the day.. even walking arounf the house will mark your steps up... walking to the bathroom, to the fridge etc.
but if you want me to use the above, I can
but if you want me to use the above, I can
